Sure is Quiet

I think last year the target number was changed mid-season. This year they have the smaller target at the beginning.

Doesn't really matter, all anyone can do is their best and let the chips fall where they may.
 
Romad said:
For us, even as badly as my son would like to attend the USAFA, we are just going to follow our own advice and proceed as if that option is closed to us. While a USAFA appt will be cream cheese icing on the cake for my son's high school efforts, we need to remember it's the COMMISSION and SERVICE to our country that's the ultimate goal here (or should be) not the inscription on the ring of your Alma Mater....
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Exactly our approach/attitude last year. We knew it was a long shot, but my son did the best he could in every area of the application/nomination process and assumed he would need to use plans B, C or D instead. The appointment (LOA & Nom) when he received it was like a miracle. He is currently doing well as a Doolie and we are still in shock that he was selected.

Good luck to those waiting....and hoping. A lot of us still remember well the anxiety and trying not to get our hopes up too much (and trying to keep our children focused on alternative plans) when we knew the odds were against being selected. The good news? USAFA has to select 1050 candidates. Why not your son/daughter? After all your kid is the best....right?:thumb:
 
aglages said:
The appointment (LOA & Nom) when he received it was like a miracle. He is currently doing well as a Doolie and we are still in shock that he was selected.
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It'll be a replay here if that happens :biggrin: I can STILL remember some of the stuff he pulled as a kid and I'm just relieved he's STILL HERE (it was his 18th yesterday)...:rolleyes: Good thing he was cute and FAST too!!!....

Best
 
reliving stress from last year

Hard to believe that I find myself in the same situation as last year...we were so surprised when DS #1 got his LOA and subsequent appointment. Considering the pared down admission numbers, DS #2 might be in for a long wait; certainly not waiting for an LOA to show up. MOC interviews are coming up so he's focusing on that at present. His plan B applications are all in except for one so we'll go on as if that's the plan for now.
 
Ya'll are "on target!" :thumb:

Short background for the person that asked.

Mid-process last year the Chief of Staff of the Air Force directed the Superintendent of the USAFA to "reduce your numbers to the lawful level" by 2012. USAFA had been "over" their legal number of cadets (by a LOT) for quite a few years.

So...in mid-cycle last year, they stopped the entire process, reassessed their candidates, and dropped the number of folks they were going to admit from @ 1350 - 1420 (give or take, I can't remember the precise numbers we were briefed) to @ 1150. Due to the number of LOA's and other "promises" that were made, the final number if memory serves was 1173.

They then sat back, computed attrition, graduation of 2011 and 2012, and decided that they would admit a class in June 2012 of no more than 1050. They will then "reassess" again to see what the next class will be.

I'm trying to put out as much as I can; I've asked USAFA/RRS how much an ALO can post online and for some pretty clear/obvious reasons, we're restricted to VERY little. But with a little "clear thought" the level of competition for this class can be deduced.

535 MOC's (house and senate) Let's assume each has only 1 appt (may or may not be accurate)
100 Presidential
35-60 Falcon Foundation
@ 200 USAFA Prep School
5 VP
?? JrROTC/ROTC

Just those alone can fill the entire class without digging into the "qualified alternate" lists.

Someone else asked if we're seeing more MOC's using the "Principal/Alternate" method this year? From "chats" I've had with ALO's around the country I think (just my opinion) that the answer is no. I do know that here in AZ, there have been no changes.

I hope this helps...it doesn't give warm fuzzies, I realize, but it's about the most I can say.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
Hmmmm... "Hey Mav - ya got the number for that truck driving school? I think I'm gonna need it..."

Goose.
Top Gun
 
I am very new to this whole process so you all have a leg up but, after reading all of the posts and unbelievable accomplishments of these kids, I am totally blown away by the exclusivity of being admitted to the USAFA. It begs the question; is this the most exclusive college/university in the U.S.? I mean, only 1,050 admitted out of 17k to 20k initial applications...that is very selective. Thank God for sports or my DD would have never stood a chance even though she became a candidate on her own merit.
Good luck to all and congratulations to anyone who earns this distinction.
 
flieger83 said:
So...in mid-cycle last year, they stopped the entire process, reassessed their candidates, and dropped the number of folks they were going to admit from @ 1350 - 1420 (give or take, I can't remember the precise numbers we were briefed) to @ 1150. Due to the number of LOA's and other "promises" that were made, the final number if memory serves was 1173.
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According to the following "official" facebook post on http://www.facebook.com/USAFA.Official
the actual number of apponted cadets for the class of 2015 was 1159. Interesting that one day after I-Day was there were only 1135 left in the class. :eek:
Friday Facebook Fun Fact: There were 12,713 applicants for the Class of 2015 with 1,159 of them earning appointments. This included 10 turnbacks (cadets who can't attend this year and will maintain a slot for next year) and nine international students. As of this morning, there are 1,138 basic cadets with three in our transition flight (going home).
 
Hmm...

Not too bad on the memory for this "old AF guy!"

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
BobBigBoy said:
I mean, only 1,050 admitted out of 17k to 20k initial applications...that is very selective.
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USAFA is very selective but the general consensus on the forum is that the initial application number is not a valid number when comparing to other universities since many potential candidates never finish the application. And while many potential candidates to Stanford and Harvard also do not finish the application process, these are not part of those schools acceptance percentage numbers. A more accurate number to compare to the 1,050 would be how many applications were actually completed which will be a much lower number (maybe 6-8K).
 
It is also worth considering that USAFA might actually take MORE than 1050 cadets for the class of 2016. In February 2011 they announced the 2015 class would be 1120, and they clearly accepted more than that. Perhaps they will also end up with more than 1050 for 2016? Something to at least hope for (but definitely not count on). I would imagine the final size of the 2016 class will be decided sometime in March when USAFA can take a look at the total wing size (minus the commissioning class of 2012). I'm sure they'll factor in how many of the class of 2014 won't make commitment and how many from 2015 won't return from Summer break. Just another guess but I believe that USAFA wants a commissioning class of aprox 1000 from each year group. If 2016 actually starts at 1050, they'll be lucky to commission 900.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/02/ap-air-force-academy-cutting-enrollment-020711/
 
Flieger

My son is a Falcon at NMMI this year. When Lt Gen Kelly and Col Benyshek travelled to NMMI last month to present the Falcon's with their scholarships, I think they said there were currently 80 kids still in the program at the 5 participating schools. Historically, I believe that 98% of the Falcon's receive appointments.
 
flieger83 said:
535 MOC's (house and senate) Let's assume each has only 1 appt (may or may not be accurate)
100 Presidential
35-60 Falcon Foundation
@ 200 USAFA Prep School
5 VP
?? JrROTC/ROTC
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Plus this year's medical turnbacks that are guaranteed a slot for next year.
 
aglages said:
According to the following "official" facebook post on the actual number of apponted cadets for the class of 2015 was 1159. Interesting that one day after I-Day was there were only 1135 left in the class.
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As of yesterday, the Admissions Facebook page has the 2015 class at 1,048. It would appear that the next few smaller incoming classes will be somewhere well below 1,000 at graduation. What impact does smaller class size have on the functioning of the Wing?
 
USAFretired1996 said:
My son is a Falcon at NMMI this year. When Lt Gen Kelly and Col Benyshek travelled to NMMI last month to present the Falcon's with their scholarships, I think they said there were currently 80 kids still in the program at the 5 participating schools. Historically, I believe that 98% of the Falcon's receive appointments.
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Yes, but I suspect that a number of the Falcons will receive MOC nominations and be charged to the MOC so they shouldn't be double counted. It is my understanding that as long as a Falcon does what they are supposed to and gets a nomination, they will receive an appointment even if the nomination isn't charge to the MOC. So some will be charged to a MOC and some will not.
 
Blackbird said:
Yes, but I suspect that a number of the Falcons will receive MOC nominations and be charged to the MOC so they shouldn't be double counted. It is my understanding that as long as a Falcon does what they are supposed to and gets a nomination, they will receive an appointment even if the nomination isn't charge to the MOC. So some will be charged to a MOC and some will not.
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My understanding exactly. Just clarifying the number of Falcons out there.
 
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