pugilist231

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I got the official Turn Down from Navy today after months of being on CPR. After being boarded without a Nom and then moved to "Admissible", my BGO informed me that even though the turn down letter says I'm rejected from both USNA and Prep Programs, I am still in the running for NAPS and Foundation schools. I'm assuming the letter they sent me was a stock rejection letter. Anyways, does anyone have an idea on the timeline for notification from NAPS and/or Foundation programs?
 

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It is my understanding that, if you receive a turndown letter/email, you are no longer in the running for NAPS/Foundation. It is a final decision. By contrast, if you are rejected by the Board (typically for academics), you are still in the running for NAPS/Foundation.
 

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Prep Programs = NAPS and Foundation schools ?

"being boarded without a Nom" !!??

You mean with out a MOC Nomination, Superintendent's Nom, Navy Secretary Nom or NROTC Unit Nom or a Presidential Nom or MoH Nom, Deceased Veteran's Nom ?

I thought there has to be some Nomination source for a Foundation or a NAPS offer?

Sorry , I am truly confused.
 
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Those eligible for NAPS are only 2Q and missing the Q for scholastic achievement. If you were 3Q + NOM and were in the running for an appointment, you would not be eligible for NAPS.
 

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When I was at the CVW in September, I specifically asked the LT from Admissions about this. I said that I understood that once a candidate is board approved, and considered "competitive for an appointment" then he/she would no longer be considered for NAPS.

I was told "No, that's not accurate. Being 3 q'd with a nom does not necessarily mean that you won't be considered for NAPS"

This seems contrary to what I've read in lots of places. I don't know if the LT was referring to special cases like redshirt athletes or diversity goals, and I didn't ask about that.

As has been posted in many other places - is seems unfair that a candidate who is fully qualified, but gets a TWE due to a very competitive slate is out, but a far less qualified candidate gets in, but that's a whole different discussion

Does anyone have any real examples of NAPS offers to candidates who were 3Q?
 

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It is my understanding that anyone 3Q is not eligible for NAPS but must go through the normal process. The Military Academy's do not have a Red Shirt process. Prep schools might be a learning and maturing process but not a traditional Red Shirt as at other D1 schools. They still have to 3Q and get a nomination at the end of their time in Newport.
 

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AF - that was my understanding as well, but I when I was there, I asked the question face-to-face with an admissions officer and was told very clearly that 3Q does not rule out NAPS. Yes, there is no 'official' red shirt program (it wouldn't be legal), but it's not a coincidence that disproportionate % of lacrosse and football players go to NAPS as an example.

time2 - I think the BGOs have this info, and lots of them post here . However, I think they are also the ones who have said in the past that 3Q candidates aren't considered for NAPS, hence the contradiction and my question
 

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Being 3 q'd with a nom does not necessarily mean that you won't be considered for NAPS"

I think what the AC told you speaks for itself...the "not necessarily" means that there are exceptions (a few years back was a good example, when PNOM candidates, who were fully qualified, received NAPS offers instead of appointments). I'll defer to other BGOs, who have been in the program longer, but I'm pretty certain there are more NAPS offers for those not found qualified by the Admissions Board than those who are. Appointment decisions are not final until made by USNA...things can (and have) change(d) throughout the process. In any event, a candidate is not suppose to know their Admissions Board status...thus, the only status they should be made aware of (by admissions) is USNA or NAPS offers (offered or turned down)...so should be transparent.

If I had a candidate who was fully qualified...I'd bet more on an USNA appointment or turn down...than an offer to NAPS (even though it is possible).
 

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I think the BGOs have this info, and lots of them post here .

However, BGO's are told to NOT let an applicant know of their 3Q status, so my comment related to the fact that individual candidates would not (or should not) know their 3Q status. I wasn't at the CVW you referenced, so no way to comment on the specific context in which that answer was given.
 

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I would venture to say this would be an extreme exception vice the rule. A few examples I could think of... a prior enlisted candidate who on the surface meets 3Q requirements but maybe hasn't been in school for 2-3 years. A prep year helps someone like this get back into school mode and prepped for USNA. I remember a story a year or so ago of a candidate at NAPS who was crushing it academically but hadn't finialized their citizenship until their year at NAPS. So technically without a citizenship they aren't qualified, but if I remember correctly this candidate had an extraordinary story and was brilliant. There are a million scenarios of why someone might be 3Q and still go to NAPS. All of them unique and a one off. Honestly it's not something to focus on because you can't control it. Admissions has been doing this a long time. They tend to get things right and if they think a candidate would benefit from an extra year, it's probably for the best.
 
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Isn't this very early in the process to get a rejection letter? Could one make the assumption that a rejection this early if because they are not qualified, or deficient in one area?
 

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Isn't this very early in the process to get a rejection letter? Could one make the assumption that a rejection this early if because they are not qualified, or deficient in one area?

The OP was during the last admissions cycle.
 
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