Pima
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bigdog,
I would not go with that theory of blood and a stone. Ability to pay will be part of the negotiations, but if they can get the blood from ROTC grads than they can get it from an AFA grad.
Of course, if he doesn't receive his degree, and must go back to school for a few more yrs., than that might be a negotiating factor in his case.
It truly is a case by case. I would certainly hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I would plan to pay at least a low 6 figure number back.
Remember, this is also the yr of sequestration and huge budget cuts. What might have been the practice in 10, or 11 or even 12, might not be the case for 13.
I would also think about contacting an employment recruiter/consultant to discuss his employment opportunities as a college grad, be it now if the AFA does allow him to graduate, but not commission (if that is even possible) or a yr or two from now when he finishes up at another college. From an HR perspective, I would think being dis-enrolled 3 weeks prior to commissioning would be addressed in an interview.
~~~ Why were you dis-enrolled?
~~ He can shade it, to just demerits, but that still is saying to a potential employer that after @4 yrs in a strict environment he had problems following rules and regulations.
~~ He can say I decided not to serve. Still an issue, because he is saying a negative...commitment issues.
It would be a red flag if not handled correctly.
I really hope they don't slap him with a bill, especially if I am reading this correct he will not have a degree. No degree would translate into going back and incurring debt. Even if he lives at home, and goes IS for 18 months, he is looking at in our state, 20K in tuition. I would also assume by now he took that lovely 35K starter loan.
Our DS commissioned AFROTC, so his starter came via USAA. There was fine print on that loan. Leave before the ADSO and it goes from 2.74% to APR + 9.99%. Our DS is at UPT now. He read the fine print, and the fear of if he busted UPT they could cut him loose, took only 10K. He bought his car using the 0% loan offer from Toyota.
This is why I am saying at this time talk to a financial adviser. Even if he gets off scott free from the AFA bill, he will have bills, some that probably has not even come into your minds yet, like the starter loan or the debt he will incur attending another college. For our kids colleges, (3 kids/3 different colleges), each and every college has the same rule....60 credits must be obtained at their college to receive a degree from their school.
I would start planning for the next stage while holding out for hope.
~Looking into where he will get a degree from, because it will hard for him to get in this fall at many colleges, without assistance from admissions.
~ Contacting head hunters if he will get the degree even if dis-enrolled. They may say take a yr and get a Masters.
~ Paying back that starter loan if there is fine print regarding the loan.
I know you may feel like people are being harsh, but it is hard for most of us to wrap our heads around the thought that he pushed the envelope with his GF staying in his room when he already knew he was on thin ice for other issues and only a few weeks left.
My heart goes out to you. I don't think there is enough wine for me to make it through your situation. Actually, I don't think there is enough Jack Daniels. We all are here to listen/read your fears and concerns. The military is a unique world. Outsiders don't get it.
Best hopes, thoughts and prayers.
Pima
I would not go with that theory of blood and a stone. Ability to pay will be part of the negotiations, but if they can get the blood from ROTC grads than they can get it from an AFA grad.
Of course, if he doesn't receive his degree, and must go back to school for a few more yrs., than that might be a negotiating factor in his case.
It truly is a case by case. I would certainly hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I would plan to pay at least a low 6 figure number back.
Remember, this is also the yr of sequestration and huge budget cuts. What might have been the practice in 10, or 11 or even 12, might not be the case for 13.
I would also think about contacting an employment recruiter/consultant to discuss his employment opportunities as a college grad, be it now if the AFA does allow him to graduate, but not commission (if that is even possible) or a yr or two from now when he finishes up at another college. From an HR perspective, I would think being dis-enrolled 3 weeks prior to commissioning would be addressed in an interview.
~~~ Why were you dis-enrolled?
~~ He can shade it, to just demerits, but that still is saying to a potential employer that after @4 yrs in a strict environment he had problems following rules and regulations.
~~ He can say I decided not to serve. Still an issue, because he is saying a negative...commitment issues.
It would be a red flag if not handled correctly.
I really hope they don't slap him with a bill, especially if I am reading this correct he will not have a degree. No degree would translate into going back and incurring debt. Even if he lives at home, and goes IS for 18 months, he is looking at in our state, 20K in tuition. I would also assume by now he took that lovely 35K starter loan.
Our DS commissioned AFROTC, so his starter came via USAA. There was fine print on that loan. Leave before the ADSO and it goes from 2.74% to APR + 9.99%. Our DS is at UPT now. He read the fine print, and the fear of if he busted UPT they could cut him loose, took only 10K. He bought his car using the 0% loan offer from Toyota.
This is why I am saying at this time talk to a financial adviser. Even if he gets off scott free from the AFA bill, he will have bills, some that probably has not even come into your minds yet, like the starter loan or the debt he will incur attending another college. For our kids colleges, (3 kids/3 different colleges), each and every college has the same rule....60 credits must be obtained at their college to receive a degree from their school.
I would start planning for the next stage while holding out for hope.
~Looking into where he will get a degree from, because it will hard for him to get in this fall at many colleges, without assistance from admissions.
~ Contacting head hunters if he will get the degree even if dis-enrolled. They may say take a yr and get a Masters.
~ Paying back that starter loan if there is fine print regarding the loan.
I know you may feel like people are being harsh, but it is hard for most of us to wrap our heads around the thought that he pushed the envelope with his GF staying in his room when he already knew he was on thin ice for other issues and only a few weeks left.
My heart goes out to you. I don't think there is enough wine for me to make it through your situation. Actually, I don't think there is enough Jack Daniels. We all are here to listen/read your fears and concerns. The military is a unique world. Outsiders don't get it.
Best hopes, thoughts and prayers.
Pima