Another career bites the dust due to stupidity

[Bullet]

Just wondering if anyone who has posted on this thread has ever watched Saturday Night Live and understand parody or satire???

Certainly! Love the show, especially when they take the hot topics of the week and parody the situation. Can't wait to see their take on THIS issue (and trust me, they will. Too easy an opportunity to poke fun at stupidity by a senior military member to pass up). Got my DVR all set up to record the skit in all it's glory so I can watch SNL make fun of the Navy over and over and over and over.....

Wonder how ADM Roughhead will appreciate the fact that the service he loves and leads is now the focus of an SNL parody? Perhaps he may befriend those facebook pages in support of Capt Honors and tell them how much he appreciates that his time is now spent on responding to the media storm generated by this video over the other tirvial things he might like to do; like say, running the Navy.

Notice how the CNO relieved this Capt for his lack of judgment. EXACTLY what I have been saying all along. Take this as a lesson youngsters: we expect and measure our senior leaders on their professionalism and judgment, not on how well they can entertain the troops.

As to the contiued argument that this is only one of many videos and being taken out of context? How many times do I have to remind everyone: "build a thousand bridges, make a thousand good carrier landings..."?

 

[Mongo]

Got my DVR all set up to record the skit in all it's glory so I can watch SNL make fun of the Navy over and over and over and over.....

Somehow, I would not expect this from a fellow service retiree, enjoying the discomforts of a sister service. Think instead about the obvious turmoil among the sailors aboard one of our ships preparing to sail into harm's way.

 

[Bullet]

Somehow, I would not expect this from a fellow service retiree, enjoying thediscomforts of a sister service. Think instead about the obvious turmoil among the sailors aboard one of our ships preparing to sail into harm's way.

The point was rhetorical, of course. I thought the point was that some of us do not understand or appreciate skits presented in parody or satire. I was merely pointing out that the DoD can expect more of the same due to this Commander's actions. My apologies for the confusion.

 

[Luigi59]

Wonder how ADM Roughhead will appreciate the fact that the service he loves and leads is now the focus of an SNL parody?

I'm sure the part where the sailors are forced to eat simulated fecal matter from the toilet will impress him greatly. Or maybe the simulated masturbation and ejaculation on the shoes. Or maybe the CNO throws around the word "fag" like a rag doll. Belly-whoppers.

Conduct unbecoming of an officer? Of course it is.

This is conduct unbecoming of a 10 year old.

The lengths the ring-knockers will go to defend the most egregious conduct and behavior from is astounding.

 

[AF6872]

Don't think 99.99% of "Ring Knockers" would approve of this. Stupid decision and will pay the price. Fun is Fun but stupid is stupid and not relegated only to the enlisted ranks.

 

[LineInTheSand]

Somehow, I would not expect this from a fellow service retiree, enjoying the discomforts of a sister service. Think instead about the obvious turmoil among the sailors aboard one of our ships preparing to sail into harm's way.

Harm's way? How close is the carrier getting? Seems the most dangerous part of their mission is flight operations, which would be true of carriers anywhere.

Mongo is the only ring-knocker here defending his actions....I haven't seen anyone else doing so.


As an update....the captain was "fired" today. It is unfortunate that he put himself in this position, at the cost of stability for his shipmates.

 

[Pima]

This is conduct unbecoming of a 10 year old.

I agree, 99.99% of us would punish our children for any actions like this, even if they were 10.

Those who support his actions need to look internally. Would they high five their child for this, or would they sit them down and discipline them?

If it is the latter, than you are saying you expect more from your child who does not lead anyone, or hold the careers of anyone in their hands than a 45+ yr old officer who has attended one of the most elite educational systems in this world.

Don't think 99.99% of "Ring Knockers" would approve of this. Stupid decision and will pay the price. Fun is Fun but stupid is stupid and not relegated only to the enlisted ranks.

I also agree that 99.99% of "Ring Knockers" are openly saying..."stupid, stupid, stupid!"


10 will get you 20, the DOD will come out with new mandatory briefings after this to clarify even further where the line is when it comes to the military life.


As far as Raimius's opinion of thick skin, I will say this. There is a difference of a JO making an off colored remark, such as grow a pr, and an O6 who signs off on your PRF for an O4 promotion and openly says there are gutless wonders and know who they are. One is on equal footing and one is holding that pr in their hands regarding your life. Want to TPS, are you about to kvetch or report them? Doubtful. Then again they made a remark and you can tell them to shove it. You can't to an O6 as an O3.

Posters talk about integrity and officers need to live at a higher standard than others. Anyone who believes that cannot look anyone in the face squarely and say they are living a higher standard with integrity.

The sad part is there will be younger officers that are players in this video, and because of him, their careers are officially over. Nobody will ever know if they did it because they believed in it or out of fear. He destroyed his career and now others will follow. The media may not report those names, but anyone who believes that the USN has not started to investigate them is a fool or an idiot.

Even if those JOs are found innocent, their careers are over because the hierarchy will not support them when it comes to promotion or competitive positions. No O6 is going to select an officer who has this investigation in their jacket as a DP.They are not going to put them up for BPZ or PME. Simply stated they are not going to risk their name for them. This is TAILHOOK 2011

 

[sprog]

Seems the most dangerous part of their mission is flight operations, which would be true of carriers anywhere.

Agreed.

As you no doubt know more than I do, any work aboard a ship is pretty dangerous stuff. Peace or war, merchant ship or warship, the sea can be a hostile environment in which to work. I once read that the flight deck of an aircraft carrier is a more dangerous working environment than a coal mine. Not sure if that's hyperbole or not. For Americans, I think the most dangerous job in terms of work-related fatalities is that of a highway worker, but I imagine high-tempo ops on the filght deck to be right up there in terms of risk.

But I agree, the Big E isn't likely to engage in a massive naval battle a la Jutland or Midway on her next deployment.

 

[Pima]

Also, remember that many at this level are at a desk assignment at the Pentagon. It is not as difficult as some would like to portray regarding pulling them back.

The USN can grab an O6/7 on a desk assignment to fill that spot for a short term while they get another O6/7 up to snuff.

Plus, they can take someone who is in a holding pattern and drop them in to the position.

The idea that there is only 1 person who can command this ship is ludicrous.

Yrs back the AF lost the Commander of the 11th AF and ALCOM due to a tragic accident. The AF went on and a new commander was in place within days without skipping a beat. (The new commander was there before the widow left) This guy is not irreplaceable, he is just a cog in the wheel.

Would anyone here say if he died yesterday that the Navy would not be able to move forward with their mission? Of course not! Thus, to say that it is too hard to replace him is a fallacy.

 

[Mongo]

As you no doubt know more than I do, any work aboard a ship is pretty dangerous stuff. Peace or war, merchant ship or warship, the sea can be a hostile environment in which to work. I once read that the flight deck of an aircraft carrier is a more dangerous working environment than a coal mine. Not sure if that's hyperbole or not. For Americans, I think the most dangerous job in terms of work-related fatalities is that of a highway worker, but I imagine high-tempo ops on the filght deck to be right up there in terms of risk.

The flight deck of a carrier is the most dangerous 4.5 acres in the world. In the IO, there will be two carriers on station, supporting ground ops 24/7. This means typically 16-18 hours per day, day in and day out. There is only manning for a single flight deck crew, so the crews are out there from the initial deck spot to the final one at the end of the cycle. Add to this the extreme heat of the Middle East. The average age on the flight deck is in the teens. For each and every launch, dozens of individuals are required to make inputs,settings, and checks, the failure of any one which will put an aircraft in the water. Also, one does not get over too quickly a divert to the beach because someone's head is stuck in the flight controls or returning from a mission, spinning the aircraft on an elevator and blowing someone over the side. It happens. A lot. It just doesn't make national news because they are 'only' enlisted guys. Yes, a carrier goes in harm's way every time it goes to sea. Flying combat missions is the easy part.

 

[flieger83]

"...The AF went on and a new commander was in place within days without skipping a beat. This guy is not irreplaceable, he is just a cog in the wheel.

Yeah, Pima, that's true.

And then there was Gen'l D...the AF CofS...who told the media all about the Desert Storm war plan. And right after he did that, the SECDEF fired him!

And the USAF went on...

"They" simply reached into the magic bag and pulled out another 4-star to take the reins of the USAF...

Merrill H. McPeak, Gen, USAF

Hmm...

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
(I could NOT resist that...a little humor in a serious thread)

 

[Bullet]

Steve,

In most of the circles I hang out in, that would be a beer you would owe me for specifically naming "He who shall not be named".

Just saying.

And if that is the case here, heaven help the Big E....

Good thing my lunch was already digested...

 

[Mongo]

"...The AF went on and a new commander was in place within days without skipping a beat. This guy is not irreplaceable, he is just a cog in the wheel.

Yeah, Pima, that's true.

And then there was Gen'l D...the AF CofS...who told the media all about the Desert Storm war plan. And right after he did that, the SECDEF fired him!

And the USAF went on...

"They" simply reached into the magic bag and pulled out another 4-star to take the reins of the USAF...

Merrill H. McPeak, Gen, USAF

Hmm...

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
(I could NOT resist that...a little humor in a serious thread)

Of course the war will not stand down. However, I am not so sure the Enterprise will depart on schedule. If she doesn't, the on-station carrier may be in line for a delayed homecoming. The idea that any O-6 hanging around DC can walk onto a carrier and assume command is ludicrous. First off, he must be a carrier aviator. Dozens of those. Next, a carrier is a bonus command. All carrier skippers have previously commanded a deep draft vessel, usually some type of supply ship. It would be totally irresponsible to place an aviator into his inital at-sea command in a carrier. The list has grown exponentially smaller. Perhaps there has been a change of command in the last few weeks where an aviator is just now walking off his initial deep draft command and would be available. However, I doubt it. All aviators who are serving as CO's aboard supply ships are already in line for a designated carrier command. However, the last requrement for carrier command is the most stringent, nuclear power school. The only carrier avitors who have been to nuclear power school are already in line for a specific carrier. So, to find a carrier aviator with deep draft command who has been to nuclear power school. Not an easy task. If there is someone in the pipeline who has completed the three requirements, great. If not, is there someone close. Feasable, but it will require a relief and a change of command on his current ship. Probably won't happen within a week. Lastly, perhaps there is a CO sitting around who has just completed his carrier CO tour and can be assigned temporarily. However, carrier COs are typically very senior and some even pin on Admiral as they leave their CO tour. There has never been an Admiral CO of a carrier to my knowledge and I am not aware of the precedence to demote an Admiral so he can assume command of a carrier. It could be an issue.

Most skippers are relieved when the ship is scheduled to be pierside for a while. There are many reasons for this.

 

[Pima]

flieger,

A. you are diverting the thread

B. You are showing your age (I bet you are like Bullet and remember taking the f'ing seem ripper to your flightsuit or joking about this zippers )

C. You are giving me nightmares because McPeak aka Skeletor was the worst the AF could have pulled out of the AF bag of tricks!

FWIW, if you don't know who McPeak was he was probably the most detested CSAF that has existed in the past 30 yrs. He changed every uniform and as soon as he was gone, the next CSAF changed them back again. The AF spent more money than you can shake a stick at because of him.

Dugan was loved by the troops, and Fogelman was also loved. I have yet to meet anyone who would give a body part for McPeak.

Now if we could have Gen. Gould get promoted to CSAF the AF would be the best of the best.

Back on topic...people were explaining why a 45 yo man in a sr position should be given a pass for calling gay members faggots, women are not true peers, members are gutless, and this was all morale boosting to the troops.

 

[luckymacy]

I've got nothing to add because l have ignored this thread and the news story in general but I have to say, what complete waste in every sense. *******.

 

[LineInTheSand]

That sentiment is actually fairly accurate when describing this situation.

 

[Pima]

lucky, just remember one day it could be your DS serving under someone like this. Do you want them to be their leader?

Remaining silent, even as a parent can have great impact on what your child will face in the military.

Think about it.

Playing the game of the good old boy system when it comes to defending a sr. officer does more harm than you can imagine. He was a leader to his subordinates. He was a mentor. His antics will be felt for yrs.

 

[sprog]

Of course the war will not stand down. However, I am not so sure the Enterprise will depart on schedule. If she doesn't, the on-station carrier may be in line for a delayed homecoming. The idea that any O-6 hanging around DC can walk onto a carrier and assume command is ludicrous. First off, he must be a carrier aviator. Dozens of those. Next, a carrier is a bonus command. All carrier skippers have previously commanded a deep draft vessel, usually some type of supply ship. It would be totally irresponsible to place an aviator into his inital at-sea command in a carrier. The list has grown exponentially smaller. Perhaps there has been a change of command in the last few weeks where an aviator is just now walking off his initial deep draft command and would be available. However, I doubt it. All aviators who are serving as CO's aboard supply ships are already in line for a designated carrier command. However, the last requrement for carrier command is the most stringent, nuclear power school. The only carrier avitors who have been to nuclear power school are already in line for a specific carrier. So, to find a carrier aviator with deep draft command who has been to nuclear power school. Not an easy task. If there is someone in the pipeline who has completed the three requirements, great. If not, is there someone close. Feasable, but it will require a relief and a change of command on his current ship. Probably won't happen within a week. Lastly, perhaps there is a CO sitting around who has just completed his carrier CO tour and can be assigned temporarily. However, carrier COs are typically very senior and some even pin on Admiral as they leave their CO tour. There has never been an Admiral CO of a carrier to my knowledge and I am not aware of the precedence to demote an Admiral so he can assume command of a carrier. It could be an issue.

Most skippers are relieved when the ship is scheduled to be pierside for a while. There are many reasons for this.

Wouldn't the XO be able to take command, at least temporarily?

 

[Mongo]

Wouldn't the XO be able to take command, at least temporarily?

No way and them getting underway for an IO cruise. Maybe for a week or so until they find someone else. I would venture to state that the ship will never leave the pier until a qualified CO is on board. You have to understand the Navy's accountability system. They would never make an unqualified individual accountable.

 

[LineInTheSand]

How is the XO not qualified?

Got to hope nothing ever happens to a CO on a ship, Navy has to drop anchor and wait until they can go in tow?