Cadets instructed by USAFA leadership not to use words like "Mom" and "Dad"

I am a white, straight, middle-aged, married male with 2 daughters who are service academy attendees. I have never been disadvantaged by my status. In fact, the opposite is demonstrably true, as compared to other traditionally disadvantaged segments of our population. It is fact that certain demographics have been treated unfairly in this society. Take your pick. Women, blacks, asians, hispanics, gays, transgenders. The list is wider than that. That discrimination has been somewhat mitigated over time. But we still do not have an equal playing field. There is still work to be done to ensure that all individuals are treated equally in this society. As traditionally impacted groups gain standing, traditionally advantaged groups can perceive that they are losing standing. That is the cost imposed by a truly egalitarian society. But that is a cost I am more than willing to pay as someone who tries to live by the golden rule.
Your reply sounds a lot like this “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” -Ibram X. Kendi.

I am curious if you agree with his position or if you disagree.
 
Your reply sounds a lot like this “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” -Ibram X. Kendi.

I am curious if you agree with his position or if you disagree.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
 
Letting their attendees know about opportunities offered by external organizations that exist for segments of their enrolled population is not in any way objectionably discriminatory.

Is a scholarship that is offered by a veterans association that is only available to children of service members objectionably discriminatory ?

If so, then you should be railing against the presidential nomination for service academy applicants.

Crickets
No Veterans Associations involved. The Presidential Noms were put into place to remedy a DIFFERENT systemic discrimination that affected some of the very people who were serving the nation. The proper nomination source for the children of Active Duty and Retired Military folks are the Congressmen and Senators of their home of record. Especially in years gone by and districts had fewer people, and it was common for candidates to meet and know their MOCs, it was almost impossible for families of military people, many of whom were thousands of miles distant to successfully apply. Presidential nomination folks are of every ethnic and social group although few come from significant wealth.
 
My DS’s two best friends are both Varsity athletes who have a better GPA than he does, upwards of 3.7. They also have challenging minors. They didn’t need ‘extra points’ to get in. They are incredibly accomplished young men who manage to have athleticism and brains. And neither of them comes from a wealthy, privileged background.

DS didn’t play a traditional varsity sport in high school and didn’t check that box. He didn’t check any other of the typical boxes one sees on an application. His work ethic, ability to interview well, articulate, high gpa, and demonstrable leadership must have left an impact on someone as he earned his appointment.

Admissions needs a well rounded class. They can build that class with the information they have. From geographical to backgrounds. Essays, personal statements, and interviews can demonstrate diversity of background and adversity.
 
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Letting their attendees know about opportunities offered by external organizations that exist for segments of their enrolled population is not in any way objectionably discriminatory.

Is a scholarship that is offered by a veterans association that is only available to children of service members objectionably discriminatory ?

If so, then you should be railing against the presidential nomination for service academy applicants.

Crickets
No crickets here sir,

Hiring practices and scholarships are two VERY different topics. Apples and oranges as they say.

 
It may be that the person in charge of DEI at USAFA harbors hostilities. The Brook Owen Fellowship website is not poorly written or offensive. The reported email which went out paraphrased "cisgender males need not apply" just makes people feel bad. The endless cycle of discrimination and divisiveness continues when you use excluding language.

Slides maybe were not intended to stand alone but they do have to! Especially for a hot button issue. Having mom and dad in the same column as racially offensive terms and writing instead of parents. Whoever is in charge of this seems to have passive aggressive tendencies and seems like someone who has not figured out how to be kind to EVERYONE.
 
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Your reply sounds a lot like this “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” -Ibram X. Kendi.

I am curious if you agree with his position or if you disagree.
Let's just put in in terms of the military. For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition. As women and minorities gained ground, that path became obstructed and white males complained about "discrmination". But there was no discrimination, the playing field simply became more crowded. That's my point. As equity increases, previously favored populations will cry foul because they are losing an unjustified advantage to which they feel entitled.
 
Let's just put in in terms of the military. For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition. As women and minorities gained ground, that path became obstructed and white males complained about "discrmination". But there was no discrimination, the playing field simply became more crowded. That's my point. As equity increases, previously favored populations will cry foul because they are losing an unjustified advantage to which they feel entitled.
I'll take that as you agee.
 
Let's just put in in terms of the military. For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition. As women and minorities gained ground, that path became obstructed and white males complained about "discrmination". But there was no discrimination, the playing field simply became more crowded. That's my point. As equity increases, previously favored populations will cry foul because they are losing an unjustified advantage to which they feel entitled.
I attended USAFA prep in the mid 80s.— Probably one of the most diverse environments I’ve ever been a part of, and one of the best years of my life. I personally think we were on the right track. Progress that’s worth making takes time.
 
This hurts my brain. I know for sure that life isn’t fair and some have more good fortune than others. I think personal choices also make a difference. There is a balance somewhere that seems elusive and our systems, including education, must find it. Some will take any opportunity they can and rise; others will squander the same. So much fighting and effort spent on searching for offense in every word in our language doesn’t seem to me to solve much yet people are completely obsessed with it.
 
This hurts my brain. I know for sure that life isn’t fair and some have more good fortune than others. I think personal choices also make a difference. There is a balance somewhere that seems elusive and our systems, including education, must find it. Some will take any opportunity they can and rise; others will squander the same. So much fighting and effort spent on searching for offense in every word in our language doesn’t seem to me to solve much yet people are completely obsessed with it.
Exactly. Why don't we focus on actually helping each other succeed rather than getting butt hurt over a word someone said that is normal English.
 
Exactly. Why don't we focus on actually helping each other succeed rather than getting butt hurt over a word someone said that is normal English.
Is it just words or is it indoctrination? Are you same person you were when you entered USAFA? Have your friends that went to civilian schools changed as much as you? I have a nephew who whose top 2 schools were Princeton and USAFA (he got into both). He comes from a relatively conservative family. He went to Princeton. His views are now extremely left of center. Makes Thanksgiving a blast. My point is he wouldn’t be the same person if he went to USAFA. You are being indoctrinated. It used to be at SAs you were indoctrinated to strip you of your individuality and to become a member of a unit that was more important than self. I don’t believe that’s the case any more.
 
Is it just words or is it indoctrination? Are you same person you were when you entered USAFA? Have your friends that went to civilian schools changed as much as you? I have a nephew who whose top 2 schools were Princeton and USAFA (he got into both). He comes from a relatively conservative family. He went to Princeton. His views are now extremely left of center. Makes Thanksgiving a blast. My point is he wouldn’t be the same person if he went to USAFA. You are being indoctrinated. It used to be at SAs you were indoctrinated to strip you of your individuality and to become a member of a unit that was more important than self. I don’t believe that’s the case any more.
LOL I read his comment to mean getting ”butt hurt” over the use of mother and father.
 
Is it just words or is it indoctrination? Are you same person you were when you entered USAFA? Have your friends that went to civilian schools changed as much as you? I have a nephew who whose top 2 schools were Princeton and USAFA (he got into both). He comes from a relatively conservative family. He went to Princeton. His views are now extremely left of center. Makes Thanksgiving a blast. My point is he wouldn’t be the same person if he went to USAFA. You are being indoctrinated. It used to be at SAs you were indoctrinated to strip you of your individuality and to become a member of a unit that was more important than self. I don’t believe that’s the case any more.
LOL I read his comment to mean getting ”butt hurt” over the use of mother and father.
My point exactly. I meant that we should focus on merit and actually helping those around us succeed in life rather than spending our time creating new ways to get our feelings hurt because someone used a common English word.
 
Let's just put in in terms of the military. For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition. As women and minorities gained ground, that path became obstructed and white males complained about "discrmination". But there was no discrimination, the playing field simply became more crowded. That's my point. As equity increases, previously favored populations will cry foul because they are losing an unjustified advantage to which they feel entitled.
Do you actually read what you write. In the 70's, I went to a Naval Academy that was at least PARTIALLY diverse. My two roommates for most of my time at USNA were an African American mid and a Hispanic mid so I had a front row seat to how they were treated and as we've remained close am very aware of what they've done in the military and beyond. Women arrived at USNA while I as there so I saw the good and the bad as they were brought into the brigade.
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I am somewhat interested in your statement "For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition" and wonder if you ever served or were exposed to the Military promotion system. Whether you believe it or not, competition for promotion was ALWAYS a fact of life even for lily-white Protestant guys back in the 40's and earlier. There has always been a rank pyramid and the simple fact is that sustained superior performance brought promotions. That is the same in a multi ethnic/gender/racial mix as when it was more of a racial monolith. You seem to think that if a White guy graduated USAFA, all they had to do was wait and eventually they'd be a General.
 
Do you actually read what you write. In the 70's, I went to a Naval Academy that was at least PARTIALLY diverse. My two roommates for most of my time at USNA were an African American mid and a Hispanic mid so I had a front row seat to how they were treated and as we've remained close am very aware of what they've done in the military and beyond. Women arrived at USNA while I as there so I saw the good and the bad as they were brought into the brigade.
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I am somewhat interested in your statement "For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition" and wonder if you ever served or were exposed to the Military promotion system. Whether you believe it or not, competition for promotion was ALWAYS a fact of life even for lily-white Protestant guys back in the 40's and earlier. There has always been a rank pyramid and the simple fact is that sustained superior performance brought promotions. That is the same in a multi ethnic/gender/racial mix as when it was more of a racial monolith. You seem to think that if a White guy graduated USAFA, all they had to do was wait and eventually they'd be a General.
Nice of you to be deliberately obtuse. My point is not that any white male had a clear path to promotion. My point is that as other demographics gained traction over time, the path for white males became more congested. And the amount of *****ing about those other demographics increased in the vein of, "the only reason that other demographic got the promotion was because of their demographic".

I really don't see how you can argue that issue. Especially since we have seen that identical whine in this thread.
 
Do you actually read what you write. In the 70's, I went to a Naval Academy that was at least PARTIALLY diverse. My two roommates for most of my time at USNA were an African American mid and a Hispanic mid so I had a front row seat to how they were treated and as we've remained close am very aware of what they've done in the military and beyond. Women arrived at USNA while I as there so I saw the good and the bad as they were brought into the brigade.
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I am somewhat interested in your statement "For decades, white males enjoyed a clear path to promotion, unobstructed by any other competition" and wonder if you ever served or were exposed to the Military promotion system. Whether you believe it or not, competition for promotion was ALWAYS a fact of life even for lily-white Protestant guys back in the 40's and earlier. There has always been a rank pyramid and the simple fact is that sustained superior performance brought promotions. That is the same in a multi ethnic/gender/racial mix as when it was more of a racial monolith. You seem to think that if a White guy graduated USAFA, all they had to do was wait and eventually they'd be a General.
I was trying to find class profiles of years past, but can't imagine that USNA was diverse in the 70s. Just because there are a few people around that don't look like you, doesn't mean it's a diverse community.

Your 2nd statement on promotion actually makes the point for the need of diversity. While military promotions are gained from superior performance, if the pool of personnel that you are starting from all look the same, the chances of any diversity on higher levels is almost impossible.

While people don't intentionally discriminate, it happens due to the lack of attention. A great example is in the Coast Guard did recruiting campaigns through partnering with WWE and Nascar in the early 2000s. The return on the campaign was an increase in 18-22 year old white males. There was unintentional discrimination in the process because of the demographics in the audience of WWE & Nascar. My guess is if there was some more diverse faces around the table making the decision, other recruiting campaign ideas may have been implemented.
 
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