Candidate Pool and Qualified Candidate?

Thanks Pima, and thank you to you and your family as well!
And ITA with you that the military child doesn't go into the application process with rose colored glasses. They know what to expect going in and thru the years ahead. Our first base was the lovely Del Rio Texas!

As far as SS goes, I don't know the answer to that for sure, but I do think it is worth something, especially for the candidate that may not have the walk on water test scores. I don't think that anything is held against you if you don't go, (Son was accepted to USAFA SLS too, but could only attend one because of other commitments--Boys State, Football camp--he chose NASS because he already knew so much about USAFA.) I think that if you do go it could make or break you, because you do get interviewed by your squad leader while there, and if you stand out as someone who will excell in that atmosphere (and maybe viseversa) it will show on your rating, which from what I understand, becomes part of your candidate file.
 
I really doubt that half of a current year's academy class all went to summer seminar. There are now 3 summer seminar sessions at air force, but I'm not sure if that means more people attending or less people in each session and basically the same amount of people. When my son went to summer seminar for Air Force; 2007, there were 2 sessions with about 350 attendees each session. So, if ALL 700 summer seminar attendees made it to getting an appointment, that would be pretty much exactly 50% of the class. However; the SS is so far before the application process and nomination process, that there's no way that they can all get an appointment. They don't look through nearly any of the things for accepting to SS that they do for an appointment. Plus the fact of all those who realize at SS that the academy isn't for them. I don't know the exact number/percentage each year. But I would say that probably 1/2 of SS attendees get an appointment, which would be about 25% of the entering class.

As for for what Pima said; I agree 100%. An applicant shouldn't be choosing one academy over another simply because of perceived academics. They should be choosing the academy that is the branch of service that they ultimately WANT to serve in. Then again, I'm also the type that isn't too fond of people who apply to the academy with the SOLE PURPOSE of doing a "5 and Dive". I'm not saying that every cadet needs to spend 20 years in the military. But I don't think that the individual should already have 9-10 years from now already figured out. They should be going in with the attitude of WANTING to serve their country. NOT only doing it for the education. And realistically setting themselves goals when they are in their 3rd year of the academy whether they want to apply for a job that requires 10+ years in the military; e.g. pilot, med school, etc... Or, do a job that gets them into the military, start your career, then determine at some point if it's something you want to continue to do after 5 years or not. But sorry; to ALREADY KNOW that you are doing a 5 and Dive, and that that your service is simply "Payback" for the 4 year education..... Well, let's just say, I don't have much respect for that.

And I do think that Brats (Military Children) are a little more prepared for the academy that non-military children. Not in the "What" to expect. But in the "Attitude". In the "What" to expect, too many people think that Boy Scouts, CAP, JrROTC, etc... all "PREPARE" you better for the academy. Sorry, they don't. Matter of fact, sometimes they are actually a hindrance to you because of "Preconceived" ideas. I think the Brat has a more realistic perception of the academy and of military life in general. Many, (Not all) with no military experience at all, usually have no idea why or what they are doing. This can be very frustrating. It can also create a lot of stress. Some adapt, some don't. Then there's some with the CAP, JrROTC, Boy Scouts, etc... experience. Many, (Not All), think they understand what they are doing and WHY they are doing it. However, their previous training wasn't mandatory. They could literally just not show up and quit. Didn't need permission or anything. So the attitude is different. Plus, many think that because they "Think" they already know "What and Why", that it's also frustrating when they are being treated like a child, or sub-human as some would say. It's not like their ROTC, CAP, or Boy Scout meetings or training. Physically it's similar, mentally, it's much different.

Then there's the BRAT. The difference between the brat and the CAP, Boy Scout, JrROTC, etc... is that those others are a part time activity. It's a class during the day; or a meeting on Wednesday nights, etc... As a Brat, these individuals lived this way for 17-18 years. EVERY DAY!!! As a military member, you didn't come home and turn OFF the military. I didn't raise my son and daughter the same way that my Non-Military neighbors raised their kids. Yes, we are all different, but the military definitely had an influence on how as a parent I raised my kid. One example: When I told my children to do something, they were NOT ALLOWED to ask why... INITIALLY!!! They were to just do what I said. THEN, afterwards, if they didn't understand why they had to do what I told them, they were encouraged to ask me why. We would chat and I'd tell them WHY I had them do something. But asking WHY at the time I wanted you to do it, is NOT AN OPTION. That is very military. At least the military I was in for 20+ years. You don't have time to ask WHY when given an order. You can ask why AFTER, and learn from it. But there is a time for every purpose under heaven. And at the time of being told what to do, was NOT the time to ask why. "Unless of course you truly believed that it was unsafe, immoral, or illegal. The Brat grew up with much of this attitude their whole life. The non-military experience person might have the attitude at the academy of "What/Why am I doing". The ones who THINK they are prepared, have the attitude of "I KNOW What/why I am doing". Even though they may not necessarily. The Brat's attitude is more like; "Ah crap, here we go again". Not in a "Negative" manner. But in the "I am definitely use to this environment".

The best real story I can give was during doolie for a day in Summer Seminar. The cadets were in the faces of the summer seminar attendees. Giving them hell. Some attendees were definitely being affected. Some had a very high stress level. My son just stood there with the cadet in his face. Not smiling. Not smirking. Not doing anything wrong. The cadet asked: Doesn't this bother you? Doesn't this upset you? My son simply said; "No Sir". The cadet got louder. Why doesn't my yelling and screaming bother you??? My son simply said: "You don't know my father". The cadet asked: What does your father do? My son said, he recently retired from the air force. The cadet said: "Oh"... And walked to the next attendee and got in his butt. Point is, Summer Seminar, the Academy, and the Military, is all about attitude. Having the right attitude. Not the attitude of "I already know this, I'm already prepared for this, I can do any of this". No, the right attitude is to know that the person OVER YOU, does care about your welfare. They aren't there to harm you. That they really do want you to succeed. That everything you are going through has a purpose. That you don't have to know the purpose right now. You can find out the purpose later. That if you TRUST those above you, you will learn and become a better person. Best of luck to everyone. Sorry for the damn book. I've tried a lot recently not to post too much. Guess I couldn't help myself. later... mike.....
 
But Christcorp, at our house we always wait to see what you have to say on a topic. Please be active again!
 
Mike - I know it's in the wrong section, but if you look at his heading, he was referring to NASS. Which makes more sense since last summer at least they had 3 sessions of 750 kids each, for a total of 2250. I can believe that half of an entering class (approximately 600-700) could come from that number.
 
Christcorp... another well thought-out and revealing post. I agree that the children of those in the military, especially the children of active duty/reservists have a much better perception of military life than do the children of civilian parents. Although, I do not think this should have a great impact on admissions; my parents were not military, and this I cannot help! I have done much to learn about and grasp the true meaning of the academy and military lifestyle, and I can honestly say that your divulging posts have been incredibly helpful.
 
My son is at USNA, yet was deemed academically noncompetitive for USAFA, because of his English score on the ACT. He took the ACT five times, and even improved his scores for USAFA. He was academically qualified for USNA after the first ACT. I could be wrong, but it seemed that USAFA used the standardized test to sift through their candidate pool, and THEN considered the "whole person" concept.

Now he's grateful that USAFA didn't offer an appointment, just the Falcon Fdn. scholarship. There are many more career/education options with Navy. The campus is stunning, rich in history. Annapolis is just outside the USNA gate. Washington, DC is close by. Best of all...THE ARMY/NAVY game!!!

Go Navy, Beat Army!
 
Christcorp... another well thought-out and revealing post. I agree that the children of those in the military, especially the children of active duty/reservists have a much better perception of military life than do the children of civilian parents. Although, I do not think this should have a great impact on admissions; my parents were not military, and this I cannot help! I have done much to learn about and grasp the true meaning of the academy and military lifestyle, and I can honestly say that your divulging posts have been incredibly helpful.

Actually, being a brat has very little, if any impact, on admissions. You don't gain any points for being a brat. The most you gain is possibly receiving a presidential nomination, and that only applies if your military parent spent at least 8 years in the military. I no way implied that being a brat increased your chances of getting an appointment. Just that the attitude that you grew up with for 17-18 years might help you be better prepared.

USNA: I never really could understand the differences in the academies and their requirements. I've been involved with helping kids with the academies, ROTC, enlisted service, as well as many traditional colleges, for about the last 7-8 years. Personally, I believe that Navy, Air Force, Army, (And yes LITS and Luigi; Coast Guard and MM); should all basically have the same academic standards. All branches of the service use the same types of technology in school and in the military. I would think that the academies should have the same basic requirements. Now, are air force's standards higher possibly because they get a lot more applications than the other academies? And therefor can be more selective? I don't know. I know the air force generally has on average, of between 9500-10000 initial applicants. I've personally never delved that deep into navy or army's application pool.

Marciemi: You are correct. If the Navy had 2250 summer seminar applicants, it is possible that 1100-1200 of them made it to the academy. At Air Force, I believe there was approximately 1000 total for summer seminar. But now with 3 sessions, I'm not sure. We have 1 kid accepted this year for summer seminar, and waiting to see about another. I'll have to check how many make it this year.

Mom14: You're so sweet. I missed you too. LOL!!! Honestly; once the application process is complete, I try and back off a lot from posting. I usually am still getting a good supply of PM's however. I think that this is a time for those who got accepted to rejoice and get fired up. A time for those who didn't get accepted to reflect. Those (The majority) still waiting for March, to sweat it out. And hopefully, they've all got their backup college plans in place. This is also a time for the other "Current" cadets, especially C4C getting ready for recognition, to give first hand accounts to the NOOB soon to be cadets. But I still read every thread and every post on the forum. So if something appears that I think I can provide a meaningful contribution to, I will. But thanks for missing me. Hee Hee. Later... mike....
 
PIMA, My husband is still in, he's now a Reservist, but currently serving on an Active duty tour. I got out after 5. So son was only eligible for Pres under my husband (but could apply for both USNA and USAFA Pres. noms). When he went for his MOC interviews, he told them he already had a USNA appointment and only wanted to be concidered for an AF nom. (when he submitted his packages to MOCs he had put AF first when rank ordered) so he did get a MOC nom to USAFA

AF is looking at his ACT scores, but they look at more than just verbal and math, they look at all the scores, and as mentioned earlier, that 23CR was too low to be competitive for AF, at least back in October against all the other Presidential noms. I have no idea how he stacks up against his Ohio slate

Yes, I agree that his going to NASS vs SLS helped with his USNA appt. apparently he made a very good impression there.

As you mentioned above, I really don't think a kid can go wrong with either of these. Idealy, son would like to fly, but his main goal is to serve his country, and will be happy pretty much anywhere he ends up.

Just out of curiosity who is your son's MOC in Ohio?
 
Hey Christcorp, knowing that your in with the admissions office, can you please tell me what exactly the difference is between a candidate and a qualified candidate for the AFA? If you look at the 2013 class profile it provides those groups and I would just like to know how exactly someone would become a qualified candidate instead of just a candidate. There isn't anyway of know if your a qualified candidate, only if your a candidate which I currently am. Thanks in advance
 
Yeti, one example I could give is my son. He is concidered a candidate, which was his status after being accepted to Summer Seminar, even before getting any Noms. But apparantly he is not a "qualified" candidate in USAFA's eyes because of his CR SAT/ACT score. Some applicants are switched to Candidate as soon as they get their nomination, but that does not mean the AF deems them qualified, being one of the 10 nominees on a slate in some districts doesn't necc. mean that individual is qualified.

RedBull, Boehner is our nominating MOC in Ohio.

And Ditto what CC said, he has a way of putting what I'm thinking into words!
My son was surprised that some kids actually broke down crying at NASS during "Plebe Day" He, too, is used to a military upbringing, we've been "training" him his entire life, lol.
But on the other end of the spectrum, He was asked some knowlege and couldn't remember someones name, so he made up a name, it happened to be the name of one of the other mids that was in the training session, so they dragged that mid over both started razzin son about it--son cracked a smile, so he was forced to stare at the "bearing bear" (a honey container in the shape of a bear--you know the ones) while reciting the rest of his "knowlege" He was able to maintain thru that, but a sense of humor really is a key ingredient, as long as you can reel it in when neccessary.
 
My son is at USNA, yet was deemed academically noncompetitive for USAFA, because of his English score on the ACT. He took the ACT five times, and even improved his scores for USAFA. He was academically qualified for USNA after the first ACT. I could be wrong, but it seemed that USAFA used the standardized test to sift through their candidate pool, and THEN considered the "whole person" concept.
Now he's grateful that USAFA didn't offer an appointment, just the Falcon Fdn. scholarship. There are many more career/education options with Navy. The campus is stunning, rich in history. Annapolis is just outside the USNA gate. Washington, DC is close by. Best of all...THE ARMY/NAVY game!!!

Go Navy, Beat Army!

This was our feeling too, USNA. It seems USAFA uses the test scores as the first gate, then looks at everything else. I could be totally wrong in this, as I have nooo idea how the process actually works, its just the feeling I've gotten from them.

And CC was right in that having Military parents doesn't seem to give you an advantage with admissions, we are case in point. So if you aren't from a Military family, don't feel that is a strike against you. The advantage may come after you've been accepted for all the reasons Mike pointed out above.
 
As Mike, falcon and myself pointed out. Military brats do not get any edge in getting an appointment. Their true edge comes from the motivation within themselves, this is what I mean by not having rose colored glasses. For example, a military kid is not going to view a flyby as any big deal and sit there in awe. Awe of the actual jet, but not so much of the flyby. They have seen thousands of them in their young life and it is common to them. They see the academy from a different perspective by watching their parents that have served in the military, sometimes it is as simple as grasping why they have to do what they all deem as stupid. They understand before they enter that the military many times is about saluting sharply and following the order, they are not to question why? Others have difficulty losing that personal freedom because no matter how many books they read about life at an SA or the military, reality and theory rarely meet.

Also, place one little piece of their life into the equation. Military children have great lives, but it is harder on them then the avg kid. Many of attended 8-9 public schools, missed out on making a team because they did not move in time for try-outs, and sometimes even things as minute as going to the prom. The fact that they have weighed the good and the bad and come up with the decision to still live the military life full time shows their dedication to wanting to earn that commission.

I am not saying non-military cadets do not have that drive, it is just that for them it is all new and exciting, a blank slate. For military cadets their slate already has parts filled in.

If someone believes they do have the edge because they get that "presidential" nom, realzie the reason it exists. It exists because many military children will move 2x during their hs career. Hard to be class president for SR yr if you only just got there. Hard to get a good teacher rec if you are new. The worst part occurs like it did for our DS, came from one system that does not offer AP classes until JR yr, but the new one offers at 9th. For example, our DS took Geometry and French in 8th grade, although the new school did not offer it until 9th (offered Std and Honors), they would not budge and give him weight for Honors, mind blowing that a school could say yep he is ahead of the game because he wouldn't get there here, but how do we know if he would have taken Honors:rolleyes: It is not to give them an edge, but actually to even the playing field.
 
Yeti; just so you know, I am not in the admissions office. I am a lowly, insignificant person. Hee Hee. I am retired air force. I work with some ALO's getting local applicants ready for applying to the academy and ROTC. I have also been involved helping students apply for colleges, universities, consider active duty military, etc... I am also a parent of a current cadet. I've been closely involved with the air force academy process for quite a few years. But officially, I have about as much significance as a prairie dog on a field while hunters are sighting in their rifles. Now, FWIW, if you have some ALO type questions, the GURU of GURUs on this forum, (IMO), is Steve (Fleiger). He is the ALO extraordinaire of Arizona. He probably has more (correct) answers about the process than anyone here. I work continuously with a number of ALO's, but I'm not an ALO.

But Falconchick and Pima answered your question about the difference between a candidate and a qualified candidate. There are 3 basic phases in applying to the academy. You start off as a "Prospect". You basically started the process. You then move up to being an "Applicant". Means you've started actually applying. You are filling out the requirements for your application. When the academy determines that you are competitive, or you receive a nomination, you become a "Candidate". This is sometimes very misleading for Brats (Military Children) because they apply for their presidential nomination usually in the beginning of the process; around july/august. If they get the nomination; which most are entitled to; they become "Candidates" because they received a nomination. Remember, a nomination doesn't automatically get you an appointment. There is an average of 550 presidential nominations given out each year, yet only 100 can actually be used for an appointment. Just like your MOC can give out a slate of 10 nominations. But there is no way in the world they can get all 10 an appointment.

So, if the academy considers you competitive or you've received a nomination, you become a candidate. To be a "Qualified" candidate, means you mean ALL the minimum standards for the academy. Minimum gpa, sat/act scores, CFA scores, DODMRB, etc... Mind you, some of these, like CFA are subjective and at the academies discretion. But in a nutshell, you have to be "Qualified" in order to be a "Qualified Candidate". Hope that explains it. Good luck. Mike....
 
Mike and all,

Are there things, other than the basic physical stuff, that you would recommend to help non military appointees prepare for the years ahead? I agree that military kids have a better knowledge and are better prepared for academy life. I know the vast majority of appointees are of strong character and are, in general, strong, driven, intelligent individuals. Most of them will make it through on those characteristics alone, but what would you suggest to ease the transition? My son does not have an active relationship with his ALO so I guess I'm just wondering what you share with those that you help locally. Obviously it can't all be explained here, but maybe some key points? Sounds like you have some very fortunate men and women who benefit from your knowledge in Cheyenne :thumb:
 
Well, I'm sure that you will get some very fine opinions. Especially from some of the current cadets. But my opinion, which is free, so take it for what it's worth.

The academies and military service are a "State of Mind". And that is all you have to prepare for. Many people apply to the academies for many different reasons. For some, military service and serving their country is very high on their priorities. For some, the education is the main importance, but they "WILLINGLY" are serving their country in return. Personally, I don't think any 17-18 year old person truly knows whether the military is what they REALLY want until they actually get there. And then, it might take a couple of years at the academy. Possibly, they won't know for sure until they've graduated and are actually serving on active duty. So the first thing to realize is that what you "Think" you want today, might not be exactly the same 2, 4, or 6 years from now. Many come in with the thought of "Flying Jets". Yet, once they get there and they see all the different options they have in front of them, many go off in different directions.

Now, as far as preparing yourself for BCT and the academy, I eluded to it in another post, but here's what I think. The physical part is actually quite easy. But you have to have the right attitude. What is the right attitude?

1. Don't go into the academy thinking that you already know how to do anything they tell you. Don't go in with preconceived ideas or opinions on what you "Think" it's going to be like. Marching isn't important. Cleaning your room isn't important. Saluting isn't important. None of the physical "Acts" they teach you are important. They literally can teach apes and monkeys how to do those things. So whether you know how to march, clean your room, stand at attention, etc..., that doesn't matter. Don't go into the academy thinking that you're prepared for anything. So, why are you required to do all these things. "See #2"

2. You do everything militarily in BCT and the academy for 3 reasons.

A) Discipline: You have to realize that the military system is a giant set of gears. You are simply one tooth in one of the gears. You can't always see the big picture. So you have to learn discipline and follow orders. If you don't have discipline, follow orders, do your job, and let others do theirs; then the gears stop turning.
B) Trust: If you don't always know why you are doing something, and you don't always know the big picture, then you have to trust those senior to you and in command. Just like a child might not always agree or understand their parents; they have however learned to trust them. Same at the academy. You do many of these things in BCT and the academy, so you can learn to trust. The military doesn't want you to follow orders out of fear of punishment. They also don't want robots. (You'll eventually have your chance to be creative and think for yourself). They want you to trust your leaders. And then hopefully, those below, will learn to trust you.
C) Teamwork: BCT and the academy will force you to do things that seem physically impossible in the restraints they give you. That's so you can learn to trust each other, help each other, teach each other, and become a team. You can't go to war by yourself. You can't provide humanitarian aid by yourself. The Falcon Football team can't win a game with only one person. The academy has to take 1400 men and women from 50 states and territories, with different backgrounds; different opinions; different personalities; different sets of morals and values; and get them to work together as a team. Those are the 3 reasons you do what you do in BCT and the academy.

3. In preparing, you have to honestly believe that the academy does care about you and your success. Good days and bad days all contribute to making you a better person. If you honestly believe that, you will see it. If you see it, you will trust it. Then you will be able to maintain a positive attitude.

4. Realize that the academy was not your GOAL. It can't be. It's only 4 years long. Your goals in life are what you want to strive for in the future. The academy is just a means; stepping stones; to reaching that goal. Maybe one of your goals is to fly and serve your country. Maybe it's to be a doctor and help people. Maybe it's to be a researcher looking for a new energy source. Those are career goals. Maybe you have personal goals of traveling the world. Getting married, having kids, being financially well off, etc... The academy is simply a means to reaching these goals. People use the word "GOALS" too loosely. Some say, it's always been a goal of mine to go to the academy. OK, that's a loose interpretation. But if you're honest with yourself, and ask: WHY do I want to go to the academy? You'll realize your answers are: "Because then I can ........". Ahhh, See? Then you'll realize that the academy is not the goal; simply a means of reaching your goal. Just like a civilian college helps many others reach their goals.

5. Realize that for more than 50 years, cadets before you have gone through everything that you will go through at the academy. There isn't one task, pushup, physical activity, emotion, depression, anger, or other feeling that you will have, that all 1400 other cadets in your class won't have and experience at one time or another in their time there also. Just as every cadet for the last 50+ years has felt exactly the same as you at one time or another.

6. Finally; prepare yourself mentally by realizing that you will go through many different emotions. You WILL question why you're there. You WILL have 2nd thoughts. You WILL wonder if maybe you should have gone to the civilian college/university that you were thinking. You WILL have days when you truly hate being there. You WILL have days when you don't want to talk to anyone, including your family. It might not be the first day or first week; but you will have that/those day(s). BUT, realize that there will be good days. GREAT days. Exciting days. Days that remind you of your goals. Days that remind you of all your accomplishments. Days that make you proud of who you are and what you're there for. And those bad days will help you appreciate more the good days. And fortunately, when you're not having one of the best days, someone else will be. And you'll be able see the positive in others that you can't see in yourself right then and there.

I could go on with an entire philosophy lesson, but that wasn't my intent. My intent was to tell you that the preparation you are looking for is so simple. It's a state of mind. LEARN to find the good in all things. Learn to find the good in someone yelling at you. The good in being told you did a terrible job. The good in realizing you have limitations. The good in those above you and your peers. Find the good in all things. Then you'll be able to learn. And the more you learn, the better person you will become. Once you have the right state of mind; once you have the right attitude; once you realize that you are part of something BIGGER THAN YOURSELF..... Then, it all makes sense. You will see how cleaning your room and marching to Mitch's (Chow Hall), prepares you and helps you to reach your goals. The state of mind I'm talking about isn't just being pumped up and excited. All appointees have that now. That excitement is almost guaranteed to disappear within 3 minutes of being on the bus on the way to the cadet area on Day 1. No, not excitement. Not just a positive attitude. But realizing that the old cliche of "Today is the first day of the rest of your life" actually means something. That when people told you growing up that "If you work hard, you can have anything". Well, TIME TO WORK HARD!!! These aren't just words. It's a state of mind.

Anyway; that's my $0.03. (Inflation). I think some of the current cadets can give some better advice on how to prepare for the roller coaster ride that awaits you. Best of luck. Mike....
 
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Wow, that made a nice addition to my document of saved posts from ChristCorp.

Later and thanks,

Brian
 
Do not come to this place for the free school/education. The number one priority for coming here should be to become an officer - the school part just happened. Though most cadets work really hard at USAFA, too many cadet just cruise through this place and have no intiative or motivation. Don't be afraid of being called a tool, instead do everything you can to make yourself the best that you can be and help your classmates (the ones that are actually struggling and are working hard to improve) achieve the same.
 
Do not come to this place for the free school/education. The number one priority for coming here should be to become an officer - the school part just happened

I agree...but for a different reason. Too many IMHO do not realize 5 yrs after graduation is a long time to live and breathe the military life 365 days a yr if you did it because it was free! The same should be stated for going because you want to be a pilot. There are alot of gates you must clear before that is an option, and again 5 yrs of being a maintainence officer when all you wanted to be was a pilot is a hard pill to swallow.

The AFA exists to groom future officers, not for a free education or just to be a pilot.
 
I agree Pima. But in the same thought, I don't find anything wrong with a person wanting to come to the academy to be a pilot, doctor, or some other lofty aspiration. Then, because of slots, grades, medical, qualifications, etc... it doesn't work out and you take a more traditional job and do a 5 and dive. As long as the individual applying to the academy understands that it might not work out the way they plan, and that the needs of the air force must come first. If they understand that, and are willing to take their chances, and if it doesn't work out right and they do their job honorably and leave in 5 years, that's fine. At least in my opinion. mike....
 
I agree completely with Mike here.

I have many classmates that came to USAFA to fulfill 20+ careers...that was their original plan. MANY others had no idea how long they'd serve, they just knew what they wanted to do (fly, intel, navigator, etc.).

And quite a few found that they didn't really like the officer life and the active duty lifestyle, once they were in it, and they left after their commitment was up.

And I fully respect that! BECAUSE they served honorably and fulfilled their commitments.

Do that which you have agreed to do and nobody can be disappointed.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
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