Ens. Cameron Kinley

Based on what was posted by usnabgo08, I stand corrected regarding my son. It appears that intramurals gets 1 point and regular varsity team members get 2 points. All Americans (which Kinley was NOT) get 4 points which is a max of 3% of possible OOM points. Intramural participation gets 1 quarter of that.
 
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The fact that one service or SA does does or doesn't do something has little to no bearing on the other services / SAs. Even within the USN and USMC, things often aren't "fair" and someone gets a better deal than an "equally situated" other service member. Every vet can cite countless examples.

The only thing that matters is the commitment each person makes. If you make it, you need to be prepared to complete it. The fact that someone else may get a better deal doesn't change what you signed up for.

Finally, as stated before, if people can defer their obligations for sports, why not for other reasons? IMO, it's a bad precedent to set and, at some point, someone will challenge in court why you can defer to play football but not to sing opera or build homes for the homeless or any other worthwhile endeavors.

The above said, it would be helpful if there were a clear policy across all SAs and services, recognizing such a policy (like most policies in the military) could easily change with each change of Administration or SecDef.
 
OldRetSWO said:
It appears that intramurals gets 1 point and regular varsity team members get 2 points. All Americans (which Kinley was NOT) get 4 points which is a max of 3% of possible OOM points. Intramural participation gets 1 quarter of that.
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What about those on club teams? Not as much commitment as varsity, but play intercollegiate competition with road trips. Do they get 1.5 points?
 
seems to me it would be more appropriate for the federal schools to compete in D3 athletics and allow the athletes to be full members of the corps / brigade
 
Thank you, @OldRetSWO. Glad to know there’s an additional bump for club athletes. It’s obviously not D1 varsity, but it does demand significant time, and carries standards and expectations beyond intramurals. DD is captain of her club team for the coming year, which further raises the time commitment.
 
Update: https://www.military.com/daily-news...XWtS51kGrv5qyYdN5w-aFULv1M#Echobox=1623787037

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Harker told Congress Tuesday that he, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Michael Gilday and Gen. David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, reviewed Kinley's request to defer his military service so he could play for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but decided to deny it.
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"I looked at this case. I looked at the significant investment the taxpayers make in every midshipman and our expectation and their expectation is that midshipmen will graduate and be commissioned with the Navy and the Marine Corps," Harker said.
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A state representative thinking all service branches should have the same policy is not really realistic in my mind.
Again, the tone of the mid is off to me. Or his agent or pr person.
Life isn’t fair. Learn that early. You signed a 2 for 7 with no caveat paragraph granting you a fork in the road.
 
The interesting thing to me, is there is stuff going around now in the football/sports world...charter and such about the upcoming season. And even commentary on Malcolm Perry’s chances of being cut. His stats from last year. Performance. Etc, etc. And not a single mention of him coming from Navy. Lacking positive PR from his journey.

It’s impossible to measure that “goodwill that would be generated”. If any. Do people really care? I do, I’m a fan. But I don’t hear the chatter amongst reporters talking about the next season. Idk.
 
The "goodwill" is fleeting if a SA athlete is actually drafted (as Keenan Reynolds was). However, the enduring goodwill comes only if that athlete (1) makes it big in a major professional sport, and (2) openly discusses his time at a SA or in the service. That's a lot of variables and, to date, the only ones who've made a huge splash were Staubach and Robinson. That's 2 in the last 60 years.
 
usna1985 said:
The "goodwill" is fleeting if a SA athlete is actually drafted (as Keenan Reynolds was). However, the enduring goodwill comes only if that athlete (1) makes it big in a major professional sport, and (2) openly discusses his time at a SA or in the service. That's a lot of variables and, to date, the only ones who've made a huge splash were Staubach and Robinson. That's 2 in the last 60 years.
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Agree with this 100%. David Robinson was a rarity, once is a decade or more athlete. Plus it was timing. David Robinson happened to graduate and then the Olympics were on the horizon. While he was doing his 2 years active duty, he spent most of it playing basketball for Team USA. He also happened to be so tall, he did not fit on ships, so was assigned to land base units as a CEC officer (he happens to also be wicked smart and played the PR game right). The Spurs knew this was going to happen and technically he did not sign a professional contract until after he finished his 2 years of service. Having "The Admiral" in uniform for all these high profile engagements was huge. Also, when the Persian Gulf War kicked off, he gained alot of media attention as his classmates and friends were over there. Again, he played the PR game right, which the Navy and USNA benefited from. Joe Cardona has done a pretty decent job of this, but it has helped he has played in Super Bowls along the way. He has played the game very well, but a long snapper is only going to get so much attention no matter how good he is. Billy Hurley has done a great job with the PR game, but his media attention and ebbed and flowed. He won a tournament and got tons of attention during that time. He did serve his time. The Navy threw him a bone by stationing him back at USNA, because he played the PR game well and went to his ship and earned his SWO pin like his classmates. Mitch Harris is another one who served and then played his professional sport. He did make it to the big leagues and got some media attention. This isn't the kind of media attention Reynolds, Perry or Kinley have gotten or will get. Reynolds did not last long enough in the league to even qualify for the NFL pension. Perry could be facing that as well, although he has 2 more years where he can be on the practice squad. With who the Dolphins drafted, his days are probably numbered there. Kinley... might have made a practice squad???? How much media attention is a baseball player in Single A going to get? Obviously it is hard to predict 100% how these things will turn out, but honestly the outcomes of all this, none of it is a surprise.
 
phil61526 said:
seems to me it would be more appropriate for the federal schools to compete in D3 athletics and allow the athletes to be full members of the corps / brigade
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The majority of athletes are great members of the Brigade/Corps. There are only a few bad apples that tend to ruin it for everyone. They take advantage of what the sport provides and should be called out for it. It is also up to that team captain to have a chat with their team mate. O-reps have and will step in. There are Mids who skip out on things that are intramural warriors, club sport athletes and even the band. Many athletes hold Company, Battalion and Brigade level leadership roles. They earn VGEP, are trident scholars, earn post grad scholarships and many other things. D3 athletes miss things too. They travel for sports, miss drill, and other things. Team Captains and more senior Mids play a vital role in leading their teams. They know who is struggling with academics, professional work, skipping out, etc. They hold them accountable or get them help. What people don't see is all the extras an athlete does. Sure I might not host a candidate there for a CVW, but do you know how many weekends are spent hosting recruits? Its not a one night visit, its a full weekend of parents, hosting, etc. The travel, late nights, injuries, extra film, missed leave periods... none of that is fun, but its part of the sport. That is the trade to miss a few parades and get 10 minutes to eat between lifting and your next class. Athletes often volunteer, we might not be with MAG every weekend, but we are out in schools and programs working with youth through our sports, talking about core values, academics, leadership, etc. I was a full member of the Brigade and played basketball, so were my team mates. My room mates were all intramural warriors and all of them would tell you I was a full member of the Brigade who didn't slack, no matter how terrible my schedule was.
 
@NavyHoops and all concerned or interested, I might have missed Napoleon McCallum mentioned here, but what are your views on how he and the Navy handled his journey from the Academy, to the USN, and to the NFL. I remember watching him at both levels but was teaching A school and busy with a new wife and kids.

I just did a quick Wiki page scan and see he was instrumental in bring the Raiders to Las Vegas as well as the location of their new stadium.
 
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@NavyHoops and all concerned or interested, I might have missed Napoleon McCallum mentioned here, but what are your views on how he and the Navy handled his journey from the Academy, to the USN, and to the NFL. I remember watching him at both levels but was teaching A school and busy with a new wife and kids.

I just did a quick Wiki page scan and see he was instrumental in bring the Raiders to Las Vegas as well as the location of their new stadium.
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Me too.

I would put him behind only Staubach and Robinson. He was good. I followed him in the pros.

In the article, I noticed that the Navy did not want him playing for the Raiders because of the bad publicity it gave to the Navy. Which is counter intuitive to the argument it helps navy.

It’s not as if he played for the Cowboys.
 
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